George Stevenson's First F1 Carp

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George Stevenson's First F1 Carp

Postby GG » Mon Jul 13, 2009 11:44 am

Got this on wednesday 10/07/09 on the birch pond was well pleased it was 2 lb 3oz also got my first tench but did not get a pic be back on saterday

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Re: George Stevenson's First F1 Carp

Postby StuartD » Sun Aug 09, 2009 8:43 pm

Hi George

Just a wee question from a beginner, how do you know it's an F1? what is the difference?

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Re: George Stevenson's First F1 Carp

Postby CraigC » Sun Aug 09, 2009 9:13 pm

F1's have no barbules at the side of their mouths whereas common carp do.
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Re: George Stevenson's First F1 Carp

Postby G Dave » Sun Aug 09, 2009 10:55 pm

Not exactly.

F1s have a very small pair of barbules. Crucians have no barbules at all. Commons have two pairs.

So since F1s are a mix of the two, they have one very small pair.

I'll link to a nice hi res picture of an F1, its too big to display on the page:
Hi Res F1

View it full size and look at the mouth, you can see a tiny barbule on the top lip.

There's a little bit about commons and crucians here also, basically repeating the above.
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Re: George Stevenson's First F1 Carp

Postby darren » Mon Aug 10, 2009 1:21 pm

lol
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Re: George Stevenson's First F1 Carp

Postby G Dave » Sat Aug 15, 2009 9:59 am

Am I wrong again?? :)
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Re: George Stevenson's First F1 Carp

Postby darren » Sat Aug 15, 2009 12:07 pm

thare no barbuls on a f1 you can clearly c that mate,, king carp have barbuls and can c that clearly and use these to feed f1 cant because thare very very tiny or none at all
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Re: George Stevenson's First F1 Carp

Postby big ghostie » Sat Aug 15, 2009 1:42 pm

:doh!: no barbules or very very tiny barbules :doh!:

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Re: George Stevenson's First F1 Carp

Postby Craig P » Sat Aug 15, 2009 2:55 pm

Nerd alert for this post...... :geek: :ugeek: :geek:

F1, F2 etc are terms used when any species is crossbred and indicate the generation of cross breeding. F1 is a cross between two "pure" strains, F2 is a cross between a hybrid and "pure" strain or other hybrid and so on. I believe Tommy L is a bit of a gardener and could probably elucidate on how this applies to F4 antirrhinums :lol: :lol:

While it is often stated that F1 carp are crucian/king carp crosses they can also be be king carp/brown goldfish crosses. Given that the king carp (common, leather, mirror) has different strains and that there are many strains of goldfish it is possible that an F1 could have barbules. This is no different to to human dark haired parents having a red haired child. If the relevant genes are there then you get the physical results.

However most/all of the "F1" carp that are sold and stocked appear to have no or vestigial barbules so unless the carp you catch has very noticeable barbules it's safe to assumes it's an F1 of some sort.

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Re: George Stevenson's First F1 Carp

Postby darren » Sat Aug 15, 2009 5:55 pm

nicely put mate
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Re: George Stevenson's First F1 Carp

Postby big ghostie » Sun Aug 16, 2009 10:43 am

i have seen the tiny barbs on some f1's mouths before aswell gdave-god knows how to scientifically explain it! i can totally understand craigs post regarding the theory behind hybrid carp,n i know what kings are darren..

basically they are mongrals! but bloomin good ones at that-hard fighting fish
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Re: George Stevenson's First F1 Carp

Postby geo33 » Sat Feb 06, 2010 11:28 pm

a thought it was a crucian carp i had landed but was told it was f1 hybrid still nice wee catch,
i cant remember seeing any barbules on it at all
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